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April 3, 2001
This Week, Ted Tackles:How do I find the amount of after-tax contributions to my 401(k) plan that are nontaxable and therefore nontransferable to another IRA? ... I have been told that having a profit-sharing plan could preclude me from starting a 401(k) for my employees. Yet, I still want a 401(k) plan. How do I accomplish this?
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Question: I'm just about to start taking required minimum
distributions from my 401(k) plan. How do I find the amount of after-tax contributions
that are nontaxable and therefore nontransferable to another IRA?
TB: When your IRS Form 1099 is issued
at the end of the year for your distributions, that form will break it down.
Your employer or the organization it hired to run the plan is required to maintain records
of these different types of contributions. While you may not be able to transfer the
after-tax contributions to an IRA, the investment income can be rolled over. The entity
that makes the distribution is required to prepare and file a 1099 tax form for the
taxable portion.
By the way, no portion of a required minimum distribution is eligible to be rolled over
into an IRA.
Question: My wife and I own a C corporation (50/50). We
have had a profit-sharing plan for several years, and now we want to add a 401(k) or, if
we have to, replace the profit-sharing plan. I understand that having an established
pension plan will preclude us from starting a 401(k). The profit-sharing plan is 100
percent paid by us and in lean years, the contribution is small. We want a 401(k) plan.
How do we accomplish this?
TB: The fact that you have another
plan doesn't preclude you from starting a 401(k) plan but it will impact its design.
I'm going to try to read between the lines a bit with your question. I'm assuming that the
reason you were told you couldn't have a 401(k) plan is because more than 60 percent of
the assets in the profit-sharing plan belong to either you or your wife. There is a
section of the Internal Revenue Code known as the "top-heavy" rule, which is
commonly confused with the special nondiscrimination tests that apply to 401(k)s. A plan
is top-heavy whenever more than 60 percent of the assets in the plan belong to the owners
and other key employees. I'm assuming that the plan you now have is top-heavy.
I'm also assuming from your question that you aren't enthused about paying a matching
contribution you don't want to do a plan where you must contribute an employer
match. You were told that in your situation, you couldn't do that. You got good
information.
But, the person who said you couldn't have a 401(k) plan at all is wrong. Your top-heavy
profit-sharing plan will likely preclude you from establishing a 401(k) without an
employer contribution. In all likelihood, you will need to make an employer-matching
contribution to deal with the top-heavy issue.
Here's a way to make it work. If you establish a 401(k), you, as the employer, must
contribute for all eligible employees a minimum contribution equal to 3 percent of pay
unless each of you contribute less than this amount. For example, assume your eligible
employees earn $100,000, and your wife and you contribute 5 percent of pay to a 401(k).
The employer must contribute $3,000 for the eligible employees regardless of whether or
not they contribute.
Another solution is to set up a safe-harbor 401(k) plan. In this plan, you must make a
fully vested 3 percent of salary contribution to all eligible employees regardless of
whether they contribute. This type of plan will solve any top-heavy issues and any highly
compensated employee issues, if you also have them.
Another alternative to consider is a SIMPLE-IRA. This plan will also require you to make
an employer contribution but is much less expensive to operate. You can set it up by
working directly with a good fund company, and you don't have to pay any fees to establish
or maintain the plan. You will have to contribute 1 percent of pay for those eligible
employees who contribute during the first two years and at least 2 percent after the first
two years. However, the fees you save will probably fund the employer contribution.
If the profit-sharing plan's assets aren't concentrated with you and your wife, you have
more latitude.
Get back to me if you need more help.
Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings
plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every Tuesday. With over 30 years of
experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on
benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income
Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the
401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and
participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The
New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
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