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September 26, 2000
This Week, Ted Tackles: I read that I should "not ... max out the contributions before getting the full employer match." Is this right? ... My sister-in-law's company recently converted from a 401(k) to a 403(b). Could she roll her 401(k) balance over into a Roth IRA? ... If I'm not fully vested and I leave the company, what happens to the employer contribution? ... If I do decide to cash out my 401(k), can I put that money into my existing IRA, or must I keep it separate? ... How do I do the math to determine what percentage I can contribute into my 401(k) in order to receive the maximum company match? ... I recently left the company I worked for with a 401(k) balance of $6,000. Should I roll the money into my new employer's program, or into an IRA?
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Before I get to this week's column, I want to respond to
some reader feedback. My answer to a question two weeks ago about a wrap fee on a 401(k)
plan proposed by an insurance company to a small business prompted several inquiries from
readers who felt my answer was unfair to insurance companies. Here are two representative
questions, followed by my response.
Question: While your comments about insurance companies'
401(k) plans are mostly accurate, you should really point out that all insurance companies
are not the same. The insurance company I work for does not offer a wrap fee or surrender
charge product. There are advantages to dealing with a broker-sold and -serviced 401(k)
plan. Other providers may not offer added value services or adequate administrative work,
educational materials, and customer service.
Question: While I agree that the wrap fee can make a big
difference 10 or 20 years down the road, isn't it worth it to have the wrap fee for just a
few years if you want more choices, then switch your plan when you get more assets in it?
Also, you can get an insurance company not to have a surrender charge by simply telling
your agent that you will not accept a surrender charge.
What employers need to realize is that the agent usually
chooses their own compensation and the more compensation they want the greater the
surrender charge or the wrap fee.
Also, if an insurance company has a wrap fee of 1 percent,
isn't it worth paying if the investments in the 401(k) are far superior in returns
compared to the competition?
TB: My comments were in response to
the specific situation of a small employer (21 employees), and to that employer's question
about a product with a wrap fee. The writer was also looking for providers who offer
multi-fund products that do not have a wrap fee. I gave the reader several suggestions
that fit the specific facts of his situation. My comments were not intended to go beyond
this specific situation, and I did not intend for my comments to be an unqualified,
broad-based endorsement or criticism of any company.
One of the readers pointed out that not all
insurance company products have wrap fees. I agree many of the 401(k) products
offered by insurance companies in the $5 million to $100 million market are very
competitive and I recommend them. The total fee packages (direct-billed fees and
asset-based fees) of these products are in line with those of other providers and they
don't include wrap fees or back-end surrender charges.
This gets me back to the major issue in this
instance, which is the products offered to the smaller employer market. My advice to
employers in this category is to make sure they know what they are buying and to avoid
products that have substantial back-end surrender charges (5 percent to 7 percent of plan
assets). My experience has shown that many employers who buy these products want to get
out of them within a few years for a variety of reasons. The surrender charge becomes a
major barrier. There are other products available to small employers that may not be
perfect but they do not have surrender penalties. To the best of my knowledge, the
back-end surrender charge is an intricate part of these contracts and cannot be waived by
telling the agent to do so.
Other products offered by insurance companies to the smaller market do not have a back-end
surrender charge but may have a higher asset-based fee. The pricing of these products is
usually flexible so they can be sold through a variety of distribution channels including
commissioned sales persons. And, the pricing of these products generally can be influenced
by the level of compensation that is paid to the sales person.
I have provided support to the Department of Labor at various times on the fee issue. My
position has been that all fees that are paid by either the plan sponsor or participants
should be voluntarily disclosed by the provider. This disclosure should include fees that
are billed and those that are deducted from plan assets including the fund management fees
and any wrap fees. I have also recommended that those paying the fees should know who
ultimately receives them so they will be able to evaluate value received relative to the
services provided. This includes the compensation of the broker/consultant. I have also
stated that the pricing of higher-cost products may not be unreasonable. I have
recommended this type of product in instances whether the broker/consultant provides a
high level of hands-on support to participants. The key is value relative to cost.
Investing for retirement is a serious business with fiduciary standards that are set by
law. Plan sponsors and participants who are making these important decisions should be
given all applicable information about the products they are considering so they can make
informed decisions.
Question: My company matches my 401(k) contributions at a
rate of 50 cents on the dollar this year. I had hit the limit of $10,500 by September. I
just read in a financial magazine that I may be leaving some of the company's matching
funds on the table since, according to the article, the company will spread its match over
the whole year. The article said "not to max out the contributions before getting the
full employer match." Is this right, did I leave money on the table?
TB:Yes, you may have left money on
the table. The matching contribution is limited with most 401(k)s. For example, your
employer may match only the first 6 percent of pay that you contribute. Any contributions
in excess of this amount are not matched. Assume you earn $2,000 per pay period and you
contribute 15 percent in order to reach the $10,500 limit as early as possible. Your
employer will match only the first 6 percent of pay that you contribute. The amount
matched in this example would be 6 percent of $2,000 or $120.00 each pay period. The
actual matching contribution would be $60.00 since the matching rate is 50 percent.
Many employers match only when employees are actually contributing. Other employers
compute the matching contribution on an annual basis regardless of when the employee
actually makes the contributions during the year. For example, if your employer were to
compute the match in this manner, you would continue to receive matching contributions
even though you were no longer contributing. The match would be equal to 3 percent of the
pay you receive each pay period so that the employer contribution would equal 3 percent of
your pay for the entire year by the end of the year. If your annual contributions equal at
least 6 percent of your annual pay, you should receive matching contributions equal to 3
percent of your pay.
Many employers match only during periods when employees are actually contributing because
this is easier administratively; however, this method of computing the matching
contribution may not agree with the plan document. Employees who contribute the full
amount eligible to be matched should receive the full matching contribution regardless of
when the employee makes his contributions during the year, unless the plan document
provides otherwise.
You should structure your contributions so you will be contributing during the entire year
if your employer matches only the amount that is contributed each pay period. Otherwise
you will be leaving money on the table during the period between the date you hit the
maximum and the end of the year.
Question: My sister-in-law's employer just converted from a
for profit corporation to a nonprofit company and converted its retirement plan from a
401(k) to a 403(b). She was told that she could not roll her 401(k) over into the 403(b).
Her current 401(k) total value is over $8,000. Could she roll the $8,000 over into a Roth
IRA to cover a period of four years (i.e., $2,000 per year for four years)?
TB: I recommend leaving the money in
the 401(k) plan at this time because the law is likely to be changed this year or next
permitting transfers from 401(k) plans to 403(b)s. The fact that this type of transfer
isn't currently permitted is probably why your employer didn't transfer the money from the
401(k) to the 403(b) when its status changed. By the way, since your sister-in-law is
still an active employee of the same employer, she will not be permitted to withdraw the
money from the 401(k) without penalty until she leaves the employer or attains age 59ý,
unless there has been an ownership change of her employer that would permit a distribution
of 401(k) assets.
On the whole, I do not recommend rolling pretaxed money into a Roth IRA because there
isn't any economic advantage unless your sister-in-law expects to be in a higher tax
bracket after she retires. (You cannot roll a 401(k) directly into a Roth IRA. You can
roll it into a traditional IRA, then convert that to a Roth IRA if you qualify, but that
means paying taxes up front on the amount you convert.) The net amount left after paying
taxes will produce the same net distribution from the Roth IRA after she retires if her
tax bracket is the same at the time of distribution as it is now. She will have less with
the Roth IRA if she is in a lower tax bracket when she takes the money out.
Question: In the statements for our previous 401(k) there
is an employee contribution and an employer contribution. If I'm not fully vested and I
leave the company, what happens to the employer contribution?
TB: Employee contributions are always
fully vested. The portion of the employer contribution that is forfeited by an employee
who leaves the company may be used toward future employer contributions to other
employees, be reallocated to the remaining active participants, or be used to pay
administrative expenses. Each employer selects one of these permissible alternatives when
it establishes the plan. The summary plan description you received when you joined the
plan should indicate which alternative your employer selected. If you don't have one, ask
the employer's human resources representative what happens to forfeitures.
Question: I was laid off from a company about 10 years ago
and took my 401(k) money, rolling it over into several IRA funds. When I found another
job, I began to contribute into my new company's 401(k). I have now left that company and
have not yet cashed out. If and when I do decide to cash out, can I put that money into my
existing IRA, or must I keep it separate?
TB: You can have the money
transferred into one or more of your existing IRAs. You should have the money transferred
directly from the plan into your IRA in order to avoid the mandatory 20 percent tax
withholding. The only reason it is necessary to have more than one IRA is to keep money
rolled over from an employer plan separated from your regular IRA contributions. You lose
the opportunity to transfer the IRA rollover money into another employer plan when it is
mixed with IRA contributions.
My company gives me a 60-cent match for each dollar that I
contribute into my 401(k) plan up to 10 percent of my salary (roughly $60,000).
I can also put up to 15 percent of my after-tax salary into the 401(k) for a total
contribution of 25 percent. Should I continue to put 25 percent of my salary into the
401(k) even if it means that I would lose out on some of the company match, or should I
take the maximum company match and stash the difference in my Roth IRA (which I currently
also max out)?
And finally, how do I do the math to determine what percentage I can contribute (up to the
10 percent I talked about earlier) in order to receive the maximum company match?
TB: There isn't any reason why you
should contribute 25 percent and lose the matching employer contribution. The combined
employer/employee contributions may not exceed 25 percent of your pay. You will lose 6
percent of your pay ($3,600) if you contribute 25 percent because the employer will not be
permitted to make a contribution.
You should contribute the maximum amount pretax, which would be 17.5 percent of pay. This
percentage will enable you to reach the $10,500 maximum if you earn $60,000. If your
employer doesn't permit this high of a percentage to be contributed pretax, you should ask
your employer to change the plan, because there isn't any reason to limit you to less than
the legally permissible maximum. This will enable you to receive the 6 percent employer
match.
You could contribute an additional 1.5 percent after-tax to hit the 25 percent combined
maximum. Putting the additional amount into a Roth IRA, up to the limit, is a better
alternative. You do not get any tax break up front with either. The investment earnings
are not taxed during the accumulation period in either instance; however, the untaxed
investment gains are taxable when they come out of the 401(k) compared with no tax when
they come out of the Roth IRA.
Note: See the above question on employer-matching contributions. You should reduce your
maximum pretax contribution to less than 17.5 percent if you earn more than $60,000 and if
your employer matches only during pay periods when you are making pretax contributions.
For example, if you earn $65,000, you will be able to make pretax contributions for the
entire year if you limit your pretax contributions to 16.15 percent of your pay.
I recently left the company I worked for with a 401(k)
balance of $6,000. Should I roll the money into my new employer's program, which I am not
able to get into for another 8 months, or should I set up an IRA?
TB: Transferring the money directly
into an IRA will give you more flexibility than transferring the money into your new
401(k) when you become eligible. Transferring it into your new 401(k) is a reasonable
alternative if you are satisfied with the investments that are available through the plan
and if you prefer having your retirement money in one place. In either instance, have the
money transferred directly rather than being distributed to you. This will enable you to
avoid the 20 percent mandatory tax withholding.
You are legally permitted to leave the money in your old plan until you are eligible to
join the new plan. You are also permitted to transfer the money into an IRA now and into
the new 401(k) when you are eligible. In this instance, the money must be invested into an
IRA to which you have not made any IRA contributions (sometimes known as a "conduit
IRA") if you want to transfer it into the new 401(k) plan later.
Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings
plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every Tuesday. With over 30 years of
experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on
benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income
Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the
401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and
participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The
New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
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